Swaggart/Ryrie V.S. Hardcore Preterist Icon

2 on 1 Hardcore Match!!!!!

Topic: Did Elijah & the Day of the Lord already come or still future? (Mal 4:5-6)

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So no explanation? Looks like Ryrie needs to make a tag!

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My Turn. Time for the barbed wire!

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. (Mal 4:5-6)

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. (Luke 1:17, Speaking of John the Baptist)

What did Jesus say about John the Baptist?

But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. (Matthew 11:8-14)

And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. (Matthew 17:10-13)

Based on the underline verses, Elijah came! No, not literal. We see Luke 1:17 & Jesus define Mal 4:5-6. He came in the “spirit” of Elijah. Notice the scribes asked about a literal coming in verse 10 and Jesus responded that Elijah came already through John. Jimmy Swaggart will have you to believe Malachi was speaking about a real Elijah coming back as 1 of the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11. So who is right here? Jimmy Swaggart or the Angel in (Luke 1:17) along with Jesus in (Matthew 11:8-4 & 17:10-13)

Let’s look back at Malachi:

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. (Mal 4:5-6)

Wouldn’t you agree how these 2 verses flow as if whoever was living in that generation would both experience seeing “Elijah” and the “Day of the Lord?”

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36)

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.(Matthew 24:34)

But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. (Luke 17:25)

Funny, we all believe Christ died, buried, and rose again in that generation. But any other time Christ talks about “this generation,” it’s really for the 21st century lol.

And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him. But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us. For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry? (Luke 23:27-31)

Are we to believe that when Jesus spoke to individuals, he wanted to trip them up? When he said “this generation” he really met a generation 2000 years later? So should I interpret Tim LaHaye to mean another generation far removed from the time he wrote that book back in 1972? It’s been 44 years sooooooooo apparently lol!

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Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Matthew 24:30)

Sound familiar?

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: (Acts 2:16-20)

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. (Mal 4:5-6)

Elijah was John the Baptist! Nowhere does it say in scripture that Elijah will come in two phases. Nowhere in scripture does it say that it was a partial fulfillment. I challenge you to find me a scripture where he is coming in 2 phases. Show me!

I established the fact that he came and modern dispensationalists will have you to believe there is a gap. Let me tell you, they love gaps. Gaps are a great friend to the dispensationalists. They have a gap in the “70 weeks” of Daniel, between Elijah/Day of the Lord, last days spoken about by Peter, the first chapter of Revelation where it says “these things must shortly come to pass,” and the list can go on. When you remove the gap, everything else falls into place correctly.

To insert a gap in between Elijah’s coming and the day of the Lord, then how is your heart being prepared this morning? In Malachi’s prophecy, it clearly states that Elijah “will turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers.” So how is John the Baptist changing your heart this morning? Have you been baptized by John? Something to think about. Ponder on that! (LOL)

Notice that Jimmy Swaggart states as if it is a fact that 1 of the 2 witnesses is indeed Elijah. I will tell you it is only assumed due to the fact he never died. Show me a verse from the bible that says Elijah will be one of the 2 witnesses. Then you will have to show me where he is coming in two phases. I challenge you again.

Swaggart tags Ryrie. As stated in the 1st picture, Ryrie wanted us to go to Matthew 17:11-12.

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Well Ryrie agrees with me and may I add a horrible tag team partner. (LOL) He didn’t even expound on the “day of the Lord.”

Also see “3 Questions.”

http://percolate.blogtalkradio.com/offsiteplayer?hostId=996975&episodeId=9062683

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